ATLANTA -- Hawks coach Larry Drew and Al Horford agreed the big man would play somewhere between 15 and 25 minutes in Game 5 against the Celtics -- just his second game back since a torn pectoral muscle suffered on Jan. 11.
BOSTON -- It was an inspired loss and an unimpressive win. It was a game to be survived and then forgotten. It was a night of injuries, fatigue and just enough basketball scraped out of the bottom of the jar.
The Celtics were guaranteed a No. 4 seed as champion of the Atlantic division, but the No. 5 Hawks' superior record provides them with home-court advantage -- and with it, they believe they have a chance to earn what could be their most satisfying postseason victory of the Joe Johnson era. The Hawks have reached the conference semifinals each of the last three years, but they've never knocked off a title contender like Boston, which won the 2008 title after surviving a Game 7 against Atlanta in the opening round of the playoffs. This will be Atlanta's last shot at Boston before Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen enter free agency this summer. But injuries threaten both teams.
BOSTON -- For too many nights throughout this crowded and exhausting year, the results haven't reflected the performances. Too many games have been decided by the overwhelming circumstances of each team's schedule. This was not one of those games.
For Josh Smith and Dwight Howard, preschool pals who rose from their Atlanta upbringings to NBA stardom, the innocence of the game has long since been lost.
Talks between California entrepreneur Alex Meruelo and the Atlanta Hawks over the purchase of the NBA team collapsed Friday.
The Atlanta Hawks are on the verge of being sold, two league sources told SI.com Thursday.
ATLANTA -- With 4:57 remaining in a series that produced some intriguing storylines if not last-second drama, Derrick Rose slapped palms with C.J. Watson and headed for the Chicago bench. He walked down a line of teammates, grabbed his black sweat jacket and sat down to witness reserves on both teams determine the final score.
ATLANTA -- A spokesman for the mayor of Atlanta acknowledged on Wednesday the NHL's Thrashers 'may leave' the city and become candidates for relocation.
CHICAGO -- After the Bulls' uninspired loss in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference semifinals, many in NBA circles speculated that their youth was finally catching up to them. It was supposedly a classic case of inexperience wilting under pressure, a young team failing to live up to its high expectations.
ATLANTA -- He is a basketball prototype, a 6-foot-9, 240-pound blend of size, skill and abnormal athletic ability capable of, as teammate Jamal Crawford put it, "lifting a team on his shoulders." There aren't many players in the NBA as talented as Josh Smith. There aren't many as maddening, either.
The tone of the Hawks-Bulls series has dramatically changed after Friday's Game 3. An MVP performance from the league's MVP can do that. Derrick Rose poured in a career-high 44 points, handed out seven assists and had five rebounds and the Bulls dominated the Hawks, 99-82, regaining home-court advantage in the series. The Bulls' lead is just 2-1, but momentum is squarely with the East's top seed and anything beyond five games is hard to picture at this point.
CHICAGO -- Minutes before tip-off of Game 2 against Atlanta, Derrick Rose was presented the MVP trophy at midcourt, the youngest player to win the NBA's most coveted honor. Chants of "M-V-P" bellowed from the rafters. The United Center rattled with anticipation. "In a league of very valuable players, you are the most valuable," commissioner David Stern offered upon handing over the award.
As Derrick Rose limped away from a stunning 103-95 loss to Atlanta in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals Monday night, the message was clear: Don't treat Atlanta like an underdog. The Hawks jumped out to an early lead and withstood the Bulls' second-half rally behind Joe Johnson's 34-point night as Atlanta, which played deep in the shadows of the East's powers all season, continued to show that it shouldn't be taken lightly.
It's not as if Kirk Hinrich was about to become the Derrick Rose stopper.
The end wasn't pretty. It didn't come with style or grace. The three-point shot giveth and it taketh away, and on Thursday night it ripped the heart out of the Orlando Magic while the feathery stroke of Jamal Crawford delivered the fatal blow.
ORLANDO -- How quickly the pressure can shift: the Hawks, having dominated Orlando all season on its way to a decisive 3-1 lead in this series, are suddenly faced with a crucial Game 6 at home. Lose that rematch Thursday and they'll have to return here, where they were smoked 101-76 by the (yes, this part is true) J.J. Redick-inspired Magic in Game 5.
Atlanta may be ecstatic after moving within one game of a return to the Eastern Conference semifinals for the third straight year, but as the Hawks look to seal the series, they should keep in mind that Sunday's 88-85 win over Orlando provided just as much of a cautionary tale as a reason for excitement. The Hawks controlled the game all night and never relinquished the lead, yet victory nearly escaped them because of poor offensive decisions.
ORLANDO -- The epitaphs were already half-written, minus a few minor details. As the Magic fell behind by six points at the end of the first quarter and 10 with nine minutes to go in the second, inching ever so slowly toward an 0-2 hole against the Hawks, the minds of columnists everywhere began to whirl with speculation on the team's future.
A bit of revenge after last year? Sure looked that way as the Hawks, who finished the season with a dreadful 11-20 record, walked away with a surprising 103-93 road victory in Game 1, one year after absorbing an historic playoff beat-down at the hands of the Magic. Atlanta struggled to stop Dwight Howard, whose career night included 31 points in the first half alone, but the Hawks' offense managed to fly by Orlando to claim the first game.
The Washington Generals took less of a beating than the Hawks did in the second round last postseason, when Orlando swept them right out of the playoffs. That Hawks team was one-dimensional offensively and had problems -- big problems -- defending the center and point guard positions. That Hawks team lost by an average of 25.3 points, including a 43-point blowout in Game 1.
BOSTON -- The small white sign near the door of the Celtics' locker room read:
Is any home-court playoff team less respected than the Atlanta Hawks? They've improved five years in a row, they've won a playoff series for two years running, they're coming off a 53-win season, they've held on to their top players while staying under the luxury tax, and yet they remain an afterthought.
There are many ways to screw up a basketball team. Sign a mere star at a superstar's pay grade. Acquire players solely on the basis of talent, with no clue how they will fit together. Disrupt a jelling roster or stand pat with one that is at or near its peak without a championship in sight. Hire a coach or general manager whose skills and personality aren't sufficient to address the needs of the franchise. Or just be cursed and unlucky.
Joe Johnson's acceptance of the Hawks' six-year offer worth nearly $120 million keeps Atlanta in deep-playoff contention while taking another big name off the board. With his friend Amar'e Stoudemire expected to sign with the Knicks, the list of big-money stars still in play is down to four: LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer.
The NBA has diverged, it seems, into a troubling territory.
Atlanta Hawks assistant Larry Drew will interview on Sunday for the team's head coaching opening, followed by ESPN television analyst Mark Jackson on Monday, according to several league sources.
The Atlanta Hawks will interview Trail Blazers assistant coach Dean Demopolous for their coaching vacancy, two NBA sources told SI.com.
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Maybe, after their first defeat since a loss at San Antonio on April 12, the Orlando Magic huddled in their locker room Sunday -- heads bowed, tears flowing -- and nodded silently as coach Stan Van Gundy shook the rafters with a stirring reminder that all was not lost. Maybe Magic players steeled themselves to answer the onslaught of questions about how would handle defeat after so much victory.
The Magic completed the most lopsided sweep in NBA history by toppling Atlanta 98-84 on Monday. Orlando won its Eastern semifinals by a combined 101 points, as the Hawks proved incapable of, well, just about everything. Before the Magic greet the Cavs or Celtics in the East finals, or the Hawks set their team on fire this summer, let's consider why this series turned out the way it did and what it means for the future of both teams.
The Orlando Magic won yet another laugher over the Atlanta Hawks, a 105-75 victory that kept Orlando as the only undefeated team in the 2010 playoffs and gave them their 13th consecutive win and 27th in the past 30 games. As much as the outcome of this game makes one wonder just how good this Orlando team is, it also raises some serious questions about the Hawks, since no team has ever come back from a 3-0 deficit to win a best-of-seven series.
The Magic avoided an emotional letdown from their 43-point victory in Game 1, dominating the Hawks in the second half of Game 2 to take a 112-98 victory Thursday and a 2-0 lead in this best-of-seven Eastern Conference semifinal series.
After playing the Hawks even into the second quarter, the Magic shook off the rust of a week-long layoff to dismantle Atlanta 114-71 in Game 1 of the Eastern semifinals Tuesday in Orlando. Led by an unencumbered Dwight Howard, the Magic dominated at both ends in a game that was essentially over at halftime. The Hawks, coming off a seven-game struggle with Milwaukee to reach the second round, don't have much time to lick their wounds with Game 2 scheduled for Thursday.
Down two with only 24 minutes left in their season, the Hawks used a 29-11 edge in the third quarter to spoil the Bucks' upset plans and take Game 6 83-69 in Milwaukee Friday night. The game was as ugly as the score suggests, but with Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson re-acquainting themselves with the basket, the Hawks flexed the muscle of a 3 seed and maneuvered the series back to Atlanta for Game 7 Sunday, which, by the looks of Game 6, offers some intriguing contrasts.
The Bucks used an 18-5 closing run Wednesday to stun the Hawks 91-87 in Atlanta and take a 3-2 series advantage. With the series shifting back to Milwaukee on Friday for a Game 6 that could send the Bucks to the second round, the Hawks are left wondering how to stop the momentum of an opponent that has won three straight games despite playing without center Andrew Bogut and scorer Michael Redd. The answer right now is Brandon Jennings, who paced the Bucks' attack with 25 points.
Home court has indeed been an advantage early in the playoffs, with the host team posting a 23-7 record through Sunday. Even when the games moved to the court of the lower-seeded clubs, the home teams were 10-4.
With their 96-86 victory over the Bucks on Tuesday, the Hawks are firmly in control of their first-round series, which has turned out to be perhaps the most lopsided mismatch of the playoffs. For as poorly as the Hawks played in the second half of Game 1, they played that well throughout Game 2, sending some serious doubts through the Bucks for a number of reasons.
The jitters are gone, the Game 1 celebrations and recriminations are faded and filed away, and the matchup adjustments born of hours of film review have been meticulously plotted. It's the second dance of the first round of the playoffs, with four games on tap, from Beantown to Hollywood and down to the desert and peach tree territory. Let's survey the landscape.
The Hawks' 102-92 victory over the Bucks did not go entirely as planned. They dominated the first half and held a 24-point lead, but Milwaukee whittled that margin to just seven in the fourth quarter. The comeback, though it fell short, should give the Bucks confidence that they can compete with the Hawks. Still, Atlanta was able to get the win while learning some things along the way:
The Atlanta Hawks most important player is Mike Bibby.
"... the players arrive to work by bus, not limousine, so yes, there will be a game today." -- Legendary announcer Doc Emerick in opening Sunday's NBC Pittsburgh Penguins at Washington Capitals NHL Game of the Week.
Next week, the NBA will announce the starters for the Feb. 14 All-Star Game. I've made an early run through my own unofficial ballot, and to my surprise find these five names on it.
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Injuries among so many stars and inconsistent performances by so many contending teams make it difficult to fill out a midseason awards ballot. But here it is anyway: The best of what we've seen so far, with the hope that something better -- and healthier -- is on the way. (The NBA's official awards ballot includes five spots for MVP and three for the other major awards. The media vote on all the awards below except Executive of the Year.)
Jamal Crawford found himself near the lucky leprechaun in the Celtics' frontcourt. How does one dribble out a night like this? Crawford looked up at the fans climbing stairs to the exits as he began to dance around the ball -- behind his back and between his legs, again and again -- until the buzzer.
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NEW YORK -- Joe Johnson has never been known as a consolation prize. From his days as a well-regarded high school prospect to an All-America at Arkansas, from a lottery pick to an NBA All-Star, Johnson has long been a sought-after commodity.
Few players in the league are as athletic around the rim as 6-foot-9 Hawks forward Josh Smith, who recently became the youngest in NBA history to reach 900 blocks. But that explosiveness hasn't always translated into efficient production on offense because of Smith's insistence on proving that he could be a long-range shooter as well.
The problem with evolution as a way to build something is that it takes so darn much time. If the general manager of an NBA team could move his club in just two or three seasons from the league's primordial slime stage to Homo erectus, everyone would subscribe to the theory. Typically, though, it takes more direct intervention -- divine, you might say, when it leads to a championship -- than just sitting back and waiting. Identifying needs, plugging roster holes, imposing a pecking order by who stays and who goes, all of that is straight out of a GM's creationism playbook.
ATLANTA -- It wasn't easy, but it wasn't that tough either. When the final buzzer sounded in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference semifinal, though, it was the Cavs again raising their arms in victory for the eight straight game, thanks to a stingy defense that held Atlanta to 31.5 percent shooting (15.4 percent from three-point range) and some clutch shooting by Mo Williams and Delonte West down the stretch.
ATLANTA -- The Cavaliers advanced to the Eastern Conference finals by pulling out another gutty road win and extending their playoff win streak to eight games. Right?
ATLANTA -- Wrapped in towels from head to toe, LeBron James looked more mummy than king. He sat in the corner of the visitor's locker room at Philips Arena, put his head back against the wall and shut his eyes.
Five playoff thoughts while wondering how it is that Chauncey Billups could benefit from a clock that didn't start in last year's second round (Orlando-Detroit, Game 2) and from a foul that wasn't called in this year's ...
ATLANTA -- All-Star guard Joe Johnson's sprained right ankle has recovered enough to allow him to start in Game 3 of the Hawks-Cavs series Saturday night in Atlanta. Johnson sprained the ankle in the third quarter of Game 2 and did not practice Friday.
Five observations while wondering why the rust that seemed to be caked all over the Lakers on Monday wasn't seen anywhere on the Cavaliers.
The thank-you notes can be addressed to 150 Causeway Street in Boston, the home of the Celtics. As the Hawks advanced to the Eastern Conference semifinals by disposing of the Heat 91-78 in Game 7 on Sunday (RECAP | BOX), the theme was lessons learned from a year ago. Before tipoff, in the calm and comfort of his office, Hawks coach Mike Woodson again referred to the Celtics series 12 months prior where the upstart Hawks lost in seven games.
ATLANTA -- Welcome to the anti-Celtics-Bulls, where every game is over in the first half. The Hawks put together another rout of the Heat on Wednesday, this one finishing at 106-91 (RECAP | BOX) after a first-half blitz left Atlanta in front by 23. File this one next to the beatdowns the Hawks handed out in Games 1 and 4, alongside the ones the Heat handed out in Games 2 and 3.
OVERVIEW: The Hawks earned much-needed home-court advantage with their best finish since going 50-32 in 1997-98. They have improved from 13 to 26 to 30 to 37 to 47 victories in the last five seasons, and now is the time to break through for their first playoff-series victory in a decade. For Miami, Dwyane Wade enters the series having averaged 33.9 points, 8.3 assists, 5.2 rebounds and 2.3 steals since the All-Star break, which is all you really need to know about why a team that won 15 games a year ago reached the playoffs under rookie coach Erik Spoelstra.
A handful of playoff thoughts on a night in which few leads were safe ... unless they were of the 50-point variety.
Decisions, decisions. Can't live with 'em, can't thrive without 'em.
Five NBA playoff observations from the night that featured heroes better suited to a Jane Austen novel (Chauncey and Courtney), a torch not quite passed in Miami and a couple of flipping birds:
ATLANTA -- Mario Chalmers sat in the corner of a loose Heat locker room an hour before tip-off on Wednesday night and calmly explained how the previous two days were not ones of hand-wringing or depression for the 90-64 losers of Game 1.
ATLANTA -- After a torturous two-plus hours of watching the Hawks hand it to them in Game 1 of their Eastern Conference first round series, the Miami Heat were forced through one final indignity Sunday night. With 6.4 seconds left, and the score 90-64, the ball went out of bounds, forcing the final media timeout of the game. For two and a half minutes, T-shirts were shot into the crowd, the A-Town dancers pranced on the floor and the Chick fil-A cow handed out goodies to fans near the Heat bench.
Two of the three games on Tuesday's schedule are potential first-round playoff matchups. The other game is a first-round matchup. Here's a breakdown of what to watch for on the penultimate day of the regular season.
"They both arrived here in 2004. It hasn't been a marriage. It's been a pie fight."
Nary a day goes by that someone Dominique Wilkins doesn't know, someone he's never met before, tells him how much the former Atlanta Hawk's dunks meant to him as a basketball fan or, at least, thrilled him as a television viewer. Sometimes this stranger is talking about highlight plays from serious NBA action, Hawks vs. Celtics, Hawks vs. Sixers, of the sort that earned Wilkins his nickname (the Human Highlight Film). More often than not, it's some gush or other about the slam dunk contest from All-Star weekend, the event on which Wilkins put his signature from its inception in 1984.
It's been noted before that the NBA, like second grade and CEOs in search of bailouts, is a copycat league. Something that works for one person or team -- a half-court set, combo guards, a luxury-tax loophole or the champagne-cooler upgrade in the back seat of the Maybach -- hurriedly gets adopted by some other person or team. C'mon, you didn't think the headband renaissance was the result of spontaneous perspiration. The same goes for Hack-a-Shaq and isolation plays.
Their sixth man is in Greece, their power forward is injured, they lost four games in a row -- and they were 7-4 through Thursday.
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The leaves are turning, the "rogue, isolated criminal" finally is behind bars and the NBA's wise and valuable rookie orientation session ended with a rousing fanfare of hotel smoke alarms. That can only mean one thing: Training camps are set to open and the 2008-09 season -- otherwise known as LeBron James' penultimate in Cleveland -- is around the corner.
Leverage is owning Ventnor Avenue after the guy with the thimble buys Atlantic Avenue and Marvin Gardens. Leverage is packing a two-liter bottle of water in a no-liter lifeboat. Leverage, at its most fundamental, is two customers, one widget.
The Wizards (Antawn Jamison, presumably Gilbert Arenas) and Clippers (Baron Davis) have made big moves so far on the free agent market. That can only mean one thing ... Philadelphia 76ers. You are on the clock!
There has to be a wee sense of satisfaction for Joe Johnson, a small measure of triumph, that his NBA season still was alive five days after the Suns had scattered for the summer.
The world . . . was made to be wooed and won by youth," Winston Churchill wrote in his autobiography, and point guard Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets, who turned 23 on Tuesday, must have been thinking along those lines last Saturday night in Game 1 of the Western Conference semifinals at New Orleans Arena. Time after time in the second half he dribbled up the gut of the San Antonio Spurs' defense and encountered either 32-year-old power forward Tim Duncan, firmly planted in perfect position to help, or the NBA's most physical defender, 36-year-old swingman Bruce Bowen, hands and feet churning. But Paul, a 6-foot, 175-pound third-year pro playing in only his sixth postseason game, never retreated. At one point he ventured into the paint, bounced off Bowen, released a shot, fell to the floor and jumped up to jabber at his nemesis.
BOSTON -- The Atlanta Hawks are building toward the biggest upset the NBA has ever seen. We know it would be the biggest upset because most people still can't see it coming.
BOSTON -- The Celtics aren't good enough to win the championship.
Rookie contracts should all come attached with an hour glass. That's because once a first-round draft pick signs his name, the leverage a team has over him lessens with each day closer he gets to being free of the rookie contract scale that can keep a player tied to a team for the first four seasons.
The Western Conference might be where all the excitement is these days, but that doesn't mean the East is devoid of drama. Four teams from the NBA's junior varsity -- the Hawks, Nets, Pacers and Bulls - are battling it out for the eighth and final playoff spot (and the right to get crushed by the Celtics in the first round).
A week after the storm, Atlanta finds its first possible tornado victim buried under a collapsed wall.
Is there a bigger tease in the NBA than the Atlanta Hawks?
The Portland Trail Blazers settled months of debate when they chose Greg Oden over Kevin Durant with the No. 1 pick in a highly anticipated NBA draft.
In the spirit of the trade rumor/conspiracy theory season, I thought it might be fun to put on my general manager hat. I'm no GM -- though if I were I would never, ever use the mid-level exception because there are way too many Jerome James's and Brian Cardinals out there -- but there is no harm in playing one because in this space there are no consequences.
Also in this column: • Sticking point in a potential KG trade
The future of the Atlanta Hawks, as well as general manager Billy Knight's own tortured investment in the league's youngest team, was at stake when the NBA held its annual draft lottery on May 22, and Knight was in no mood to sit in front of the TV and feel his heart valves clenching. On behalf of his sanity, he turned off his phone and took his four-year-old German shepherd, Neko, for a 90-minute training session in the woods near his Atlanta home.
The Boston Celtics can claim they are cursed after tumbling in the lottery for the second time in a decade. But the truth, confirmed yet again by Tuesday's miserable result, is that they never should have traded for Sebastian Telfair.
Forget the playoffs. For fans of the Grizzlies, Celtics, Bucks, Hawks and most of the other NBA also-rans, the moment they have been waiting for since the end of the regular season has finally arrived.
When I am introduced to someone new and asked what I do for a living, I explain I am writer who covers sports, specifically the NBA. The next question asked -- with nearly unfailing inevitability -- is if I have a favorite NBA team. Answering that the Atlanta Hawks are my team seems to encourage a pause in the conversation. Nobody knows anything about the Hawks. A basketball fan proclaiming allegiance to the Hawks is like a politico asserting their support for Kucinich in '08 -- there will always be more questions than answers.
The NBA has released its list of early-entry candidates for the draft, and that means it's time to crunch some numbers.
There's just something about a 6-9, weepy millionaire that turns the rest of us into pop psychologists. I'm sure I'm not the only one who spent the first week of the playoffs wondering why Utah's Andrei Kirilenko was so frustrated, and why his play has been so off for most of 2006-07. AK's team is flourishing, finally, but his production has tailed off: he established career-lows in points, rebounds, and steals in his sixth season, playing his third-lowest minutes per game mark (29.1).
Every team that landed in the 2007 NBA Draft lottery needs something. Some have so many needs, it's hard to know where to start. Others, racked by an uncommon number of injuries this season, might feel they need only one or two well-chosen additions in order to springboard back into the playoffs next year.
By all rights, it was a sports weekend that should have kept me from firing up my PlayStation 2. Tiger had the lead on Sunday in Augusta, even though a guy who dresses like a tourist won the green jacket. ESPN showed spring football practices and accidentally gave Bob Davie an open microphone. The Braves took two out of three from the Mets, restoring order within the NL East. The NHL regular season ended with a shootout and a playoff slot at stake, while MLS kicked off for yet another go-round. Even Tony Soprano and Vinny Chase surfaced to provide a few minutes of levity.
Is it a statistical coincidence? Or a result of teams' desire to make a few more bucks by selling a few more courtside seats?
Jorge Garbajosa was the subject of a lengthy Boston Globe feature Sunday, one that placed the 29-year-old Spanish rookie among the several international faces that dot Toronto's roster. But, sadly, Garbajosa spent Monday night in a Boston-area hospital, his season likely over.
Also in this column: • Scout breaks down Gilbert Arenas • Top 10: NBA coaching performances • Worth the money? • Games of the Week
All-Star swingman Joe Johnson of the Atlanta Hawks could be sidelined for up to a month with a right calf contusion, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on its Web site Thursday.
Imagine the scene: Honolulu, Hawaii. Pro Bowl weekend. During the skills competition, an impromptu war of words breaks out when 6-foot-3, 350-pound retired offensive lineman Tony Siragusa, who is broadcasting the event for Fox, spots the NFL's resident strongman, referee Ed Hochuli, strolling along nearby. Siragusa challenges Hochuli to a test of strength -- whoever can do the most reps of on the bench press of 225 pounds wins. After all, there's no way a 57-old referee -- even one as jacked as Hochuli -- could outmuscle someone 17 years his junior and 100 pounds heavier, could he? It would make for an interesting debate, but that's as far as it'll get. Why? Because the NFL is lame.
So the trade deadline has come and gone with little significant movement. It's a surprise, really; over the previous three years an average of 10 trades were consummated in February, with several big names moved in deals that shook the balance of power.
The year was 1992. Another NBA trade deadline day was in full swing. My phone rang every five minutes with another rumor, some fantastical and others with an element of truth. A few calls came from people inside the league who had very good information, and others were from my basketball fanatic friends, who had absolutely no information, but plenty of imagination.
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